Amy and her Daughter Michaela talk about their Poodles, and responsible breeding.
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Hi guys. Today I have Amy and her daughter McKayla with redeemedSo standard poodles and they’re going to talk to us not just about their poodles, but about what to do when you pick out a dog breeding and so much more because they have a lot of experience. So, Amy, can you tell me a little bit about your family and your background?
Speaker 2 00:51 So, , we’ve lived in Arizona for a little over 30 years now. I have been breeding humans for 23 years. We have 12 kids, so it was a natural progression to go from humans to dogs. and we have, we’ve been breeding for two years now. Oh. We originally were looking for a dog for a family pet and we did a lot of research. We’d had shelter dogs in the past and hadn’t always had great experiences. So when we were looking for a family pet, we knew what we wanted. We wanted a dog that didn’t shed, , dogs that were great with kids. And, , we laid on poodles because they fit the bill and they are, and they’re so, so intelligent. And we, after we got the dog, we decided that we needed to, we need to tend to breeding because I think that other families out there needed quality pets needed, um, dogs that they could rely on.
Speaker 1 01:49 Yeah. And my old boss had a poodle and they are extremely smart. I had the other end of the spectrum, which is a English bulldog who’s a pure bred and not so smart, but very, very lovable. And I haven’t been breathing humans as long as you have, but I, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve known each other for quite some times and, and we share some good stories about both dogs and humans. So it’s very funny. Um, so, um, what kind of dogs do you
Speaker 2 02:20 breed? Just food. Yeah, just poodles. The standard poodles are the big ones. Yeah. That’s a little, not the little minis, but the big ones. Yeah.
Speaker 1 02:30 And how, um, how does that process happen?
Speaker 2 02:34 Um, well first you have, um, genetic testing done on your dog just to make sure that they’re not carriers for any genetic, um, illnesses. And they, then they have an eye test. Um, hips tested, elbows tested, tested, and what else? Heart. Um, so then after you have all the health testing Dion’s that you know that your dog is, um, you know, it was going to pass on something to any of their puppies, then you go and you find a mate for them and you can’t look at just, um, you know, show you want to, you want to pay attention to structure. Um, you know, try to call direct any flaws in their confirmation. But equally as important is looking at the temperament and balancing out temperaments, um, and really deciding why you’re producing your litter and what qualities and traits are going for and then choosing a a stead based on that.
Speaker 2 03:34 So is it, um, cause my kids and I, we went to a, , a bowl farm and a cow farm. So is it naturally inseminated or is this um, artificially, Oh yeah, no, we, we, so far we’ve had great success doing naturally doing a natural. Um, it’s kinda funny because, so my daughter actually owns a store that we usually use. we ended up going to an outside store this time and so we paid visits to each other’s homes and we just, we sit around, we chit chat, we wait, and then, um, we sit there and we hold the dog so that they don’t, um, they don’t hurt each other. So it’s, it’s quite an interesting, that whole part of it is kind of an interesting little thing. And we’re very particular about how you do it. You have to watch for signs and make sure it’s at the right time. It’s every other day to make sure that it’s from count is, is right. So it’s not, it’s not, you know, like, Oh, bring the dope boy dog over and we’ll just let them go. We do try to monitor and, um, you know, make sure that they’re both safe and you have chaperone dates.
Speaker 2 04:48 Is their corsages involved or any first state protocol? Not yet, but there are hair bows. We do get dolled up. They both get basket. All clean. Have to look your best. That’s absolutely. That’s funny. so, after, after it’s after the data’s taken place, how long is the usual, , how long are the poodles pregnant for? So about 63 days. and we, we just bought an ultrasound machine. , I wasn’t comfortable with x-rays on the dogs because you just don’t, we just don’t know how that can affect puppies. I feel a lot more comfortable with the ultrasound. So, we ultrasound and, and this is how I go. Great successful breeding. And then, you know, like four weeks into, Oh my gosh, what if she’s not pregnant? What if she’s not really pregnant? And so then we ultrasound and then we’re, Oh, look at all the little baby puppies.
Speaker 2 06:01 Yeah. I can ask Phantom pregnancies too. Right? Pregnant. Yes. And we’ve had a Singleton, which is a little bit more challenging than having a litter because part of the puppy rearing process is then having to put effort, putting effort into, you know, getting their food and kind of seeing where they want, you know, they line up in the pecking order and establishing a place. And that’s so important for developing puppies. So we had to take some extra steps when we had a Singleton to make sure that everything didn’t come easy for. Hmm. Yeah. And we actually ended up putting her in with another litter for one week so that she could get that sibling interaction and everything that comes with that. so, with the ultrasounds, how often do you get to take a look at the puppies? So we do once a week and now that we own our own machine, we can wait free range.
Speaker 2 06:56 And so we’re going to Ultrasound or once a week. So we did our referral first one three days, three days ago. And trying to count, I mean, it’s so cute. She laid on her back. Our momma dog is just calm as can be. So she’s laying on her back. We’re putting up the jelly honor and scanning, but try to count these little teeny tiny balls and then we got to see little heartbeats, which was super cool. , we did not, we did not get an accurate count. So in a couple of weeks, hopefully we’ll do a little better. I mean, they all look the same, you know? Did I see that all before? It looks kind of familiar. That’s the same ones though. It’s so funny. And are they delivered usually vaginally or do you have to get a for, for standard poodles, they, they rarely had issues.
Speaker 2 07:47 Um, I know some breeds do, but standard poodles usually do really well in our own. And our Mila mama is, is a great birther. she likes to be under things. Um, a lot of dogs, of course, they want to feel safe and they want, you know, a lot of times it’s at night, it’s when it’s dark and she, but she likes to be under, so we actually let her birth now under our bed. She just, that’s just where she feels comfortable, so. So she, she welts in her pad and then the, for the first two weeks, the puppies actually live in our bedroom with us so I can sleep next to them. And just, you know, just like with a newborn, it’s just like with a Newport I monitor on, they had a little heating pad. I’m getting up multiple times a night to check on them.
Speaker 2 08:38 Oh my goodness. It is having newborns and then you have triplets and quite tip quick. Quintuplets how many have you had in one litter? So it was her biggest litter. Wow. Which is a good, that’s a good size. I mean, a lot of people have much larger letters, but I think eight was a good number. I was just, just on this side of manageable, you know. Wow. I would not want that. For me personally, for the first, for the first couple of weeks, mama does a great job taking care of, Oh, they’re pu because instinctually, you know, they have to keep it very clean. Yeah. And they don’t want to attract predators. So mama does a great job until they switched to, to puppy mash and then she gives up and then it’s just poo all day long because it’s incredibly important that hobbies have to stay in an impeccably clean environment.
Speaker 2 09:32 They have to, because you never want your puppy to get used to pooping where they sleep. Right? So a lot goes into just that because you really have to drill it into them, that they sleep in one place and they relieve themselves somewhere else and until they get the hang of, because they can’t control themselves at the beginning, right? So until they’re able to even move off their bed onto a potty spot, you just clean all day long. And I even have to clean up poo first thing in the morning before I have coffee, which is a really, that’s a really big deal. That is dedication right there.
Speaker 2 10:09 And what, what type of care is performed on the dogs before they leave your home. So just like, just like with a newborn, you know, the first year of a newborn’s life, their brain, adults more than any other time of their life. And it’s exactly that way for a dog, except we don’t have months. We have weeks and from birth to 12 weeks, their brain develops exponentially. You have, you create a bigger impact in those first few weeks and you’ll ever have an opportunity to when they’re an adult. So in the, from day three, today 16, we performed something called early neurological stimulation and it’s a series of exercises we do with the dogs to help increase brain function and actually produces a healthier dog longterm. Um, after that, we have a curriculum that we put the dogs on when we were introducing something new every day we’d teach the dogs how to Mand or ask for attention and we teach them the combination of a clicker with a trait.
Speaker 2 11:07 We teach them a puppy call. Um, we culminate everything you know, in meanwhile, while all this is going on, they’re exposed to different sites. Sounds so that we have, you know, you hear stories of people, my dog is so afraid of fireworks. They’re so afraid of this. Our goal is to have a dog that is rock solid and it’s been exposed to all this, you know, way before hand. So then nothing’s going to surprise them or cause them to be fearful. Um, we also do something called, um, control emotional response. And what that is, is bringing a puppy to a place where they might be aggravated, just, you know, rubbing them up and down and creating an environment that may be stressful for them. And as soon as they show the slightest bit of trust, give a little treat, and they start to associate stress and uncomfortableness with a treat, with something that’s positive.
Speaker 2 12:01 So when they’re facing a situation where another dog might feel fearful, they have anticipation like, Oh, this is, this is okay, this is good stuff. You know, Oh, there’s a really loud boom. Oh, okay, this is okay. Um, we culminate everything with a trip to Cabela’s because Cabela’s has lots of interesting sites and lots of interesting sounds. We take them to the little gun, you know, the little place shooting range over there and they get to see the giant polar bear and yeah. And they get to see lots of, lots of people who want to come up and pet the puppies. So
Speaker 1 12:34 yeah, yeah. That, that’s a sensational overload. And even the smells probably at the animals, even though they’re tax taxidermy tax at that stop, I’m going to make up my own words on my podcast. They probably have stills some sort of smell, so, yeah,
Speaker 2 12:55 absolutely. Yeah. So there’s a lot that goes into preparing them because I know how critical that time is. And for a new owner, they never get that time that that’s time that they just, they don’t get to take advantage of it. And so the weight of that isn’t lost on us. We understand that we have a huge responsibility to the people that are going to be getting puppies from us. And there are a lot of breeders that do that. And, and um, I think that we’re learning more every day. There’s new discoveries and, and there’s a lot of readers out there that are doing the best they can to stay, you know, on what the latest information is. Um, because things, you know, there’s people researching this just like everything else out there. And the potential is huge.
Speaker 1 13:40 Yeah, absolutely. And, and poodles especially, they have, they’re very inquisitive. They have a drive for knowledge. And so with a dog that smart, you want to really feed their brain with as much. Yeah. Sensory information. Otherwise they will, they can also become a terror for you. I’ve known poodles that have not been trained very well and they can be very much a terror. Absolutely. You have to be, you have to be very careful. Um, so, um, do you belong to a breed club?
Speaker 2 14:10 So are the AKC American kennel club and we’re also going to be registering under UKC. And the reason being as an AKC, you can only show with the dot tail and solid colors. A UKC is a little bit more lenient when it comes to, coloring parties and Sables and some of the other fun colors. And they don’t require a dock to tail. Um, after much, much research, we decided not to doc. Um, we also don’t remove front dewclaws. Um, so I think by joining the UKC we’ll, we’ll be able to show and do some of the things that we’ve wanted to do. Adopt tail means cut. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, so a standard poodles, it’s common to doc. Some you do you want to do a long dock on them. Some breeders do it at home and you’ll see some poodles with really short, short stubby tails.
Speaker 2 15:05 Um, breed standard for AKC. What to have would be to have a long dock or two. There’s the body length when they’re puppies, but for us, um, we don’t have a reason to, uh, we’re not selling to a show crowd and AKC show crowd. And there has been research showing that some dogs can have Phantom pain after docking. And to be quite honest with a standard poodle, the goal is to create a dog with incredibly straight tail because originally they were bred to be retrievers. That tail was used to see them in the water and when you dock them because then great, they’ve got a nice straight tail but you, you don’t know if you’re breeding and getting the right kind of tail if you keep chopping it off. So yeah,
Speaker 1 15:49 there you go. Yeah, our dog, she was the last of the litter because of her tail having it was long and she’s a bulldog and people don’t want a long bull dog. And we’re like, we’re not going to show her. We just want a good family dog. And they’re like, Oh, okay. But she’s fine with her long bulldog tail. I mean she just, you know, it’s like a little waggy tail and you know, if you’re getting a dog to love then they’re perfect. You know, you don’t need it just for a show. So I don’t know. I like a dog with the tail that they have. Yes, I do. How many dogs have you placed?
Speaker 2 16:32 Um, nine. Nine? Yeah. Yeah, we have eight. And our Singleton. I, last summer we actually traveled and delivered four puppies to people and that was quite an adventure I’m sure with all the cleaning and dogs. Oh my gosh. So much fun. So much fun. And even McKayla and her husband were able to go to, okay, so when you go out and you have decided this is the breed of dog you want, you’re going to have so many options for breeders. You want to ask him to see the health testing, um, and not just ask them, are your dogs health tested? Because some readers will say, Oh yeah, sure they’re health tested. And that might mean the vet said, yeah, they’re healthy. That might mean they did a genetic test, you know, that they bought on Amazon or it might be that they’ve gone ahead and done everything to breed standard and a good breeder is going to be super excited to show you, Oh yeah, look, these are all my faces certificate.
Speaker 2 17:31 So don’t ever feel like when you are asking a reader’s questions that you are being a past or that you’re making them uncomfortable because a breeder who is doing things right is only going to be excited to share this with you. You also want to make sure that they’re asking where they’re keeping the puppies because if they are keeping the in an environment that is closed off from everything else, you know, all this life going around or if they’re kept in an environment where they’re not in a clean place all the time, that’s going to cause huge issues when you bring your puppy home. Because if a puppy gets used to doing their business where they’re sleeping, that’s going to really set you back and ask what kind of a curriculum they’re using with their puppies. They should be doing something. Those 12 weeks are too important to let it slide by and just if all they’re doing is playing with their dogs, you know, that’s great.
Speaker 2 18:21 And you may have a, you know, you might wind up with a really good dog, but if they’re not doing things to control your dogs responses or doing things to, um, to handle the peer fear periods, there’s two fear periods in a newborn new puppy’s life. And if those puppies aren’t protected and monitored and their situation is controlled, you can wind up with a puppy that grows into an adult that has an aversion to say keys or an aversion to men and hats. So make sure that they’re doing something to utilize that time that you’re never going to get. Because you can spend, say, $2,000 on a dog and you can buy a $2,000 dog from a really great breeder who is doing everything in their power to produce an amazing dog. Or you can buy a $2,000 dog from somebody that’s just making puppies.
Speaker 2 19:12 Yeah. Yeah. And unfortunately, yeah, if you just go to like the dogs, the pet stores in the malls, you just, they just don’t know what you’re getting. No. And we’ve, we’ve done some research and they do come from puppy mills. There are many people that do have many breeds of dogs. They’re all AKC. They’re all purebreds, but they are kept strictly for breeding. And those dogs often have health problems and often have behavioral issues. Um, you know, and we hear a lot about the adopt don’t shop. And if you’re at a place in your life where you can adopt a pet, that is amazing and I absolutely encourage you to do that. If you’re at a place in your life where perhaps you have young children in the home or you need a dog that’s going to serve a specific task, we raise a lot of service dogs and we’ve raised a facility dogs.
Speaker 2 20:03 And if you need a dog to do a specific task, then look for, you know, then look for a breeder who’s breeding for what you need. Right. Um, but you won’t find the reason why good breeders are not contributing to the promise shelters is one. We’re evaluating our letters and at seven weeks we take our liver and have some evaluate them to let us know, okay, this dog has high energy, this dog has real low um, sight and sound sensitivity. So we’re matching up puppies to a family that’s going to be good for them and uh, and the dog’s going to be good for that family. Right. They’re also microchip. We’re listed as a, we have a clause that States, if you ever cannot keep your dog, the dog goes back to us. So people out there producing good dogs and, and have been, have really invested their lives into producing the dogs are dogs aren’t the ones that are ending up in shelters. Yeah. And I think that people need to understand that, that, that there’s a difference between breeders and there are some really not great breeders out there and there’s some readers that yes, are doing it for the money, but there’s a difference and they can’t all be lumped together.
Speaker 1 21:19 Yeah. We adopted a dog from a shelter when I was 12 and he was afraid of a lot of things cause he was abandoned and we don’t know what his life was before. And so if you are taking a dog from a shelter and you had young kids, you have to be very, very aware that you might be walking into a trouble situation, um, where the dog could attack at any unknown time. The D our dog did not like any other dogs and we didn’t know that until there was an issue. And, and we S I was holding our dog whose name was bear and uh, another person came up and he was like, Oh, can I introduce my dog to your dog? I said, I don’t know how this is going to go because I don’t know how he is around other dogs. And our dog ended up attacking the other dog and, and I was 12 and I was holding him back and another person ended up pulling the dogs apart and, and we’re like, well, you know, I told you I didn’t know how this was going to go.
Speaker 1 22:17 And my parents got involved as the police got involved. And so you have to be very careful what you get when you get a shelter dog because you don’t know if a kid touching a dog’s tail is going to set the set the dog off. And so when my husband and I were talking about getting a dog when we were just a year into marriage, he was like, no, shelter dogs. I want one from a breeder. So we know exactly what we’re going to get. He’s like, your story scared me enough. I understand. I understand. So I, you know, I, I get that, you know, especially if you have young kids, you know, your heart might go out to the shelter dogs, but you really have to know what that background is and what the shelter an animal you, you might be putting you and your kids at risk if you don’t know where that, that animal is,
Speaker 2 23:04 it’s coming from. Yeah. It’s actually kind of funny, just earlier today I was at PetSmart. I’m getting new tags for all the dogs. And there was a lady there with a little, um, you know, mixed spree, kind of medium size and she had a child in her cart and I said, Oh, can I pet your dog? And she said sure. And I went down and pet him and he growled and bit my hand and she said he’s never done that before. And who knows. I don’t know. You know what set him off. It could have been the earrings, it could have been, you know, just smelling my dogs. Yeah. But yeah, you’re absolutely right. You just don’t know. And, and that’s what I say. If you’re at a place in your life where you can and you can handle what the uncertainty, that’s great. Cause there are a lot of dogs that need homes and there are breed rescue organizations. If you’re looking for something in particular.
Speaker 2 23:53 Yeah. I would say like your kid has to be at least 10, 12 that they can control themselves and um, you know, control their emotions and stuff. And I was, I was good. It was the other people who decided to keep going when I told them not to. And so after that I’d be like, Nope, don’t come near my dock. And usually, um, usually it was what it was. They’re like, Oh, you’re just a 12 year old. Okay. Whatever. I was pretty forceful even at 12. But it is, I just believe that. Vicky, was there anything else that you’d like to talk about? Um, how do people get in touch with you if they’re looking for a, a Moodle? So we’re on, we’re on Facebook, we’re working on a website. Um, when it comes to raising puppies, we are amazing when it comes to technology.
Speaker 2 24:50 We are not amazing at all. So on Facebook you can go to redeem. So standard poodles or Jesco, facebook.com, forward slash Arizona standard poodles. And if you have any questions at all, whether it’s, if it’s about a standard poodle, I don’t even care if it’s about a doodle. If you have any questions at all, please don’t hesitate to reach out. Well, thank you so much for talking with us today. And, um, once again, I’ll put everything in the show notes for how to reach out to Amy and Kayla. And, uh, thank you ladies. Thanks for being here with us. Thank you so much for giving us this opportunity. I don’t, I mean honestly, I, if people are looking for a standard poodle, they’ve already found us. I’m not concerned about that. But it really was important to me to let people know that, you know, I just, I feel bad cause I’ve heard so many stories of people saying, Oh I would have to this grader and the dog was $2,400 and I thought it was great and then it’s not, you know, in situations arise and I just feel bad because people don’t know.
Speaker 2 25:54 We didn’t know. And we went and picked up a puppy we were told was eight weeks old and we felt awful when we were there because there were literally kept in like this crate. But then you went all the way to California pixels dog. What do you do? You don’t leave without a dog. So we got the dog and we get in the van seven weeks old and they’re like, Oh cool. It’s just, I don’t know. And I get because seven week old puppies, a heck of a lot of work and we keep ours until 10 weeks and by seven weeks I feel that, Oh, I’m right. If you go home, all you need to go to your home, but you don’t because it’s not what’s best for the dogs. Yeah. And a lot of them get parvo. That’s another big issue. Yeah. Yeah. Oh it’s, you’ve got keep everything clean. You’ve got to watch the poop. I mean, I’m sitting there like are their first food is, is Fenison mash with goats milk, organic goat’s milk of course. Because you know, whatever. But yeah, like you’re sitting there picking up poop and you’re inspecting the poop and it’s not, it’s not pretty. We do it because we love them.
Speaker 2 27:08 And you want them to have a good, successful run with their family to, absolutely. I feel responsible for them. It was my choice to bring them into this world, but I could see how people that are in it for the wrong reasons then inspecting poop isn’t fun. I mean it sounds, I know it sounds like exciting. Um, it’s not as much fun as it sounds. And cleaning up poop before coffee isn’t, is not, it’s not glamorous at all. As glamorous as you make it sound. Amy. Thank you. Yeah, it’s pretty special. I mean, you do have glamorous earrings on right now and I know, and no one can see that, but are they here? Are they here? Poop cleaning, airy. They are my, yeah, they will be. Now I’m gonna throw these on so I can feel, I can feel fancy.
Speaker 2 28:01 Somebody at a in a group said that breeders are lazy. I’m like, Oh, can you just tell me I’m lazy when it’s five in the morning and I’m cleaning up puppy poop? I would, that would be super helpful. Well thank you again so much for all your wisdom and everything else that you brought to us. And the laughs too. Cause, I mean, I don’t think I talked about this much poop. I hope not. We’ll see if we can top it, but I don’t know. I don’t know if I will. Thanks again ladies. Thanks for having us.